Comparison of Divisions: Points of Order — Emergency Debate — Pre-Budget Report — 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17 with Division No. 104 on 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49

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Vote (a) (unedited): Points of Order — Emergency Debate — Pre-Budget Report - 26 Nov 2008 at 16:17 - Division No. 339

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the matter of the Pre-Budget Report.

Question put, That the Question be now put:-

The House divided: Ayes 67, Noes 422.

Vote (b) : Gurkha Settlement Rights — Government defeat - 29 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - Division No. 104

The majority of MPs voted in favour of the motion:[1]

  • This House
  • regrets the Government's recent statement[2] outlining the eligibility criteria for Gurkhas to reside in the United Kingdom;
  • recognises the contribution the Gurkhas have made to the safety and freedom of the United Kingdom for the past 200 years;
  • notes that more Gurkhas have laid down their lives for the United Kingdom than are estimated to want to live here;
  • believes that Gurkhas who retired before 1997 should be treated fairly and in the same way as those who have retired since;
  • is concerned that the Government's new guidelines will permit only a small minority of Gurkhas and their families to settle whilst preventing the vast majority;
  • further believes that people who are prepared to fight and die for the United Kingdom should be entitled to live in the country; and
  • calls upon the Government to withdraw its new guidelines immediately and bring forward revised proposals that extend an equal right of residence to all Gurkhas.

As a consequence, the alternative Government motion, which read:[3]

  • This House
  • recognises that this Government is the only one since the Second World War to allow Gurkhas and their families settlement rights to the United Kingdom;
  • notes that in 2004 the Government permitted settlement rights to Gurkhas discharged since 1997, following the transfer of the Brigade HQ from Hong Kong to the United Kingdom;
  • further notes that under these rules around 6,000 Gurkhas and family members have been welcomed to the UK;
  • acknowledges that the court judgement of September 2008 determined that the 1997 cut-off date was fair and rational, while seeking clarification of the criteria for settlement rights for those who retired before 1997;
  • further notes that on 24 April the Government published new and more generous guidelines for the settlement applications of Gurkhas who retired before 1997;
  • supports this revised guidance, which will make around 10,000 Gurkhas and family members eligible to settle in the UK;
  • further notes that the Government undertakes actively to inform those who may be eligible in Nepal of these changes and to review the impact of the new guidance within 12 months;
  • further notes that the contribution Gurkhas have made is already recognised by pensions paid to around 25,000 Gurkhas or their widows in Nepal that allow for a good standard of living there; and
  • further notes that in the year 2000 Gurkha pensions were doubled and that, earlier in April 2009, in addition to an inflationary uplift of 14 per cent., those over 80 years old received a 20 per cent. increase in their pension.

... was never voted upon.

Although this extremely rare Government defeat in an opposition day motion is not binding (has no legal force)[4] a Government minister made a statement later in the day to bring "forward the date for the determination of the outstanding applications to the end of May."[5]

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Difference in Votes - sorted by name

MPs for which their vote on Motion (a) differed from their vote on Motion (b). You can also see just opposite votes between these two divisions, or simply all the votes.

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NameConstituencyPartyVote (a)Vote (b)
Diane AbbottHackney North and Stoke NewingtonLababsent aye
Adam AfriyieWindsorCon (front bench)no aye
Peter AinsworthEast SurreyCon (front bench)no aye
Sir David AmessSouthend WestCon (front bench)no aye
Michael AncramDevizesCon (front bench)no aye
James ArbuthnotNorth East HampshireCon (front bench)no aye
Hilary ArmstrongNorth West DurhamLababsent no
Peter AtkinsonHexhamCon (front bench)no aye
John AustinErith and ThamesmeadLab (minister)no absent
Richard BaconSouth NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Adrian BaileyWest Bromwich WestLab (minister)no absent
Vera BairdRedcarLab (minister)absent no
Tony BaldryBanburyConno aye
Edward BallsNormantonLab (minister)absent no
Gregory BarkerBexhill and BattleCon (front bench)no aye
John BaronBillericayCon (front bench)absent aye
John BattleLeeds WestLab (minister)no absent
Alan BeithBerwick-upon-TweedLDem (front bench)absent aye
Henry BellinghamNorth West NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Hilary BennLeeds CentralLab (minister)no absent
Joe BentonBootleLab (minister)absent no
Richard BenyonNewburyCon (front bench)no aye
John BercowBuckinghamwhilst Con (front bench)no aye
Paul BeresfordMole ValleyCon (front bench)no aye
Roger BerryKingswoodLab (minister)absent no
Brian BinleyNorthampton SouthCon (front bench)no absent
Hazel BlearsSalfordLab (minister)absent no
Crispin BluntReigateCon (front bench)no aye
Peter BoneWellingboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Tim BoswellDaventryCon (front bench)no absent
Peter BottomleyWorthing WestCon (front bench)no aye
Ben BradshawExeterLab (minister)absent no
Graham BradyAltrincham and Sale WestCon (front bench)no aye
Tom BrakeCarshalton and WallingtonLDem (front bench)absent aye
Julian BrazierCanterburyCon (front bench)no aye
James BrokenshireHornchurchCon (front bench)no aye
Gordon BrownKirkcaldy and CowdenbeathLab (minister)absent no
Lyn BrownWest HamLab (minister)absent no
Angela BrowningTiverton and HonitonCon (front bench)absent aye
Karen BuckRegent's Park and Kensington NorthLab (minister)no absent
Richard BurdenBirmingham, NorthfieldLab (minister)no absent
Colin BurgonElmetLabno absent
Simon BurnsWest ChelmsfordCon (front bench)no aye
David BurrowesEnfield, SouthgateCon (front bench)absent aye
Alistair BurtNorth East BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
John ButterfillBournemouth WestCon (front bench)no absent
Richard CabornSheffield CentralLabno absent
David CameronWitneyCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan CampbellTynemouthLab (minister)absent no
Gregory CampbellEast LondonderryDUP (front bench)absent aye
Menzies CampbellNorth East FifeLDem (front bench)absent aye
Ronnie CampbellBlyth ValleyLabno absent
Alistair CarmichaelOrkney and ShetlandLDem (front bench)aye absent
Douglas CarswellHarwichCon (front bench)no aye
Bill CashStoneCon (front bench)absent aye
Martin CatonGowerLab (minister)no absent
Ian CawseyBrigg and GooleLab (minister)absent aye
Christopher ChopeChristchurchCon (front bench)no aye
James ClappisonHertsmereCon (front bench)no absent
Greg ClarkTunbridge WellsCon (front bench)no aye
Katy ClarkNorth Ayrshire and ArranLab (minister)no absent
Charles ClarkeNorwich SouthLabno absent
Kenneth ClarkeRushcliffeCon (front bench)no absent
Geoffrey Clifton-BrownCotswoldCon (front bench)absent aye
Harry CohenLeyton and WansteadLab (minister)no aye
Derek ConwayOld Bexley and Sidcupwhilst Independent (front bench)no absent
Jeremy CorbynIslington NorthLabno aye
Patrick CormackSouth StaffordshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Geoffrey CoxTorridge and West DevonCon (front bench)absent aye
Stephen CrabbPreseli PembrokeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Jon CruddasDagenhamLabno absent
Ann CryerKeighleyLab (minister)absent no
David CurrySkipton and RiponCon (front bench)no aye
David DaviesMonmouthCon (front bench)no aye
Philip DaviesShipleyConno aye
David DavisHaltemprice and HowdenConno absent
Andrew DismoreHendonLab (minister)absent no
Jonathan DjanoglyHuntingdonCon (front bench)no aye
Jeffrey M. DonaldsonLagan ValleyDUP (front bench)absent aye
Stephen DorrellCharnwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Nadine DorriesMid BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
David DrewStroudLab (minister)absent no
James DuddridgeRochford and Southend EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)no aye
Iain Duncan SmithChingford and Woodford GreenConno aye
Philip DunneLudlowCon (front bench)no aye
Mark DurkanFoyleSDLP (front bench)no absent
Tobias EllwoodBournemouth EastCon (front bench)no aye
Natascha EngelNorth East DerbyshireLababsent no
David EvennettBexleyheath and CrayfordCon (front bench)no aye
Michael FabricantLichfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Michael FallonSevenoaksCon (front bench)no aye
Paul FarrellyNewcastle-under-LymeLab (minister)no aye
Mark FieldCities of London and WestminsterCon (front bench)no aye
Mark FisherStoke-on-Trent CentralLababsent aye
Michael FosterWorcesterLab (minister)absent no
Liam FoxWoodspringCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark FrancoisRayleighCon (front bench)no aye
Christopher FraserSouth West NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Roger GaleNorth ThanetCon (front bench)no aye
Mike GapesIlford SouthLab (minister)no absent
Edward GarnierHarboroughCon (front bench)no aye
David GaukeSouth West HertfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew GeorgeSt IvesLDem (front bench)absent aye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLab (minister)no aye
Nick GibbBognor Regis and LittlehamptonCon (front bench)no aye
Ian GibsonNorwich NorthLab (minister)no absent
Sandra GidleyRomseyLDem (front bench)aye absent
Dame Cheryl GillanChesham and AmershamCon (front bench)no aye
Linda GilroyPlymouth, SuttonLab (minister)absent no
Roger GodsiffBirmingham, Sparkbrook and Small HeathLabno absent
Paul GoodmanWycombeCon (front bench)absent aye
Robert GoodwillScarborough and WhitbyCon (front bench)no aye
Michael GoveSurrey HeathCon (front bench)no aye
James GrayNorth WiltshireCon (front bench)no absent
Chris GraylingEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)absent aye
Damian GreenAshfordCon (front bench)no aye
Justine GreeningPutneyCon (front bench)no aye
Dominic GrieveBeaconsfieldCon (front bench)absent aye
John GummerSuffolk CoastalConabsent aye
William HagueRichmond (Yorks)Con (front bench)absent aye
Peter HainNeathLababsent no
Mike HallWeaver ValeLab (minister)no absent
Patrick HallBedfordLab (minister)no absent
Fabian HamiltonLeeds North EastLab (minister)no absent
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)no aye
Stephen HammondWimbledonCon (front bench)no aye
Mike HancockPortsmouth SouthLDem (front bench)aye absent
Greg HandsHammersmith and FulhamCon (front bench)no aye
Mark HarperForest of DeanCon (front bench)no aye
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)no aye
Oliver HealdNorth East HertfordshireCon (front bench)aye absent
David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsCon (front bench)no absent
Charles HendryWealdenCon (front bench)no aye
Nick HerbertArundel and South DownsCon (front bench)no aye
Sylvia HermonNorth DownUUP (front bench)absent aye
David HeyesAshton-under-LyneLab (minister)no absent
Meg HillierHackney South and ShoreditchLab (minister)no absent
Mark HobanFarehamCon (front bench)no aye
Kate HoeyVauxhallLab (minister)no aye
Douglas HoggSleaford and North HykehamConabsent aye
Philip HolloboneKetteringCon (front bench)absent aye
Adam HollowayGraveshamCon (front bench)no aye
Geoff HoonAshfieldLab (minister)no absent
Kelvin HopkinsLuton NorthLab (minister)no aye
John HoramOrpingtonCon (front bench)no absent
Stewart HosieDundee EastSNP (front bench)aye absent
Michael HowardFolkestone and HytheConno aye
George HowarthKnowsley North and Sefton EastLab (minister)absent no
Gerald HowarthAldershotCon (front bench)absent aye
John HowellHenleyCon (front bench)no aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)no absent
Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLab (minister)no aye
Jeremy HuntSouth West SurreyCon (front bench)no aye
Nick HurdRuislip - NorthwoodCon (front bench)absent aye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLab (minister)no absent
Michael JackFyldeCon (front bench)no absent
Glenda JacksonHampstead and HighgateLababsent aye
Stewart JacksonPeterboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Siân JamesSwansea EastLab (minister)no absent
Bernard JenkinNorth EssexCon (front bench)absent aye
David JonesClwyd WestCon (front bench)no aye
Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLab (minister)no absent
Gerald KaufmanManchester, GortonLab (minister)absent no
Daniel KawczynskiShrewsbury and AtchamCon (front bench)no aye
Sally KeebleNorthampton NorthLab (minister)absent no
Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLab (minister)absent no
Paul KeetchHerefordLDem (front bench)aye absent
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)absent no
Robert KeySalisburyCon (front bench)no aye
Peter KilfoyleLiverpool, WaltonLabno absent
Julie KirkbrideBromsgroveCon (front bench)no absent
Greg KnightEast YorkshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Ashok KumarMiddlesbrough South and East ClevelandLab (minister)no absent
Eleanor LaingEpping ForestCon (front bench)no aye
Jacqui LaitBeckenhamCon (front bench)no aye
Norman LambNorth NorfolkLDem (front bench)absent aye
David LammyTottenhamLab (minister)absent no
Mark LancasterNorth East Milton KeynesCon (front bench)absent aye
Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Edward LeighGainsboroughCon (front bench)no aye
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetCon (front bench)no aye
Ivan LewisBury SouthLab (minister)no absent
Julian LewisNew Forest EastCon (front bench)absent aye
Ian Liddell-GraingerBridgwaterCon (front bench)absent aye
David LidingtonAylesburyCon (front bench)no aye
Martin LintonBatterseaLab (minister)no absent
Elfyn LlwydMeirionnydd Nant ConwyPC (front bench)absent aye
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MacKayBracknellCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MacKinlayThurrockLab (minister)absent aye
David MacleanPenrith and The BorderCon (front bench)absent aye
Angus MacNeilNa h-Eileanan an IarSNP (front bench)aye absent
Denis MacShaneRotherhamLabno absent
Fiona MactaggartSloughLab (minister)absent no
Anne MainSt AlbansCon (front bench)no aye
Humfrey MalinsWokingCon (front bench)no absent
Judy MallaberAmber ValleyLab (minister)no absent
John MannBassetlawLab (minister)no absent
John MaplesStratford-on-AvonCon (front bench)no absent
Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabno aye
Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLababsent aye
Eric MartlewCarlisleLab (minister)absent no
Michael MatesEast HampshireCon (front bench)no absent
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no absent
Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)no aye
Alasdair McDonnellBelfast SouthSDLP (front bench)absent aye
John Martin McDonnellHayes and HarlingtonLabno aye
Anne McGuireStirlingLabno absent
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkCon (front bench)no aye
Shona McIsaacCleethorpesLabno aye
Rosemary McKennaCumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch EastLab (minister)absent no
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)no aye
Patrick MercerNewarkCon (front bench)no aye
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)absent no
Maria MillerBasingstokeCon (front bench)no aye
Anne MiltonGuildfordCon (front bench)no aye
Andrew MitchellSutton ColdfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Jessica MordenNewport EastLab (minister)absent no
Julie MorganCardiff NorthLab (minister)no aye
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no absent
David MundellDumfriesshire, Clydesdale and TweeddaleCon (front bench)no absent
Meg MunnSheffield, HeeleyLababsent no
Denis MurphyWansbeckLab (minister)absent no
Andrew MurrisonWestburyCon (front bench)no aye
Bob NeillBromley and ChislehurstCon (front bench)no aye
Brooks NewmarkBraintreeCon (front bench)no aye
Stephen O'BrienEddisburyCon (front bench)no aye
Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLab (minister)no absent
Lembit ÖpikMontgomeryshireLDemaye absent
George OsborneTattonCon (front bench)no aye
Sandra OsborneAyr, Carrick and CumnockLab (minister)no absent
Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)absent aye
Albert OwenYnys MônLab (minister)absent no
James PaiceSouth East CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Nick PalmerBroxtoweLab (minister)no aye
Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no absent
Mike PenningHemel HempsteadCon (front bench)absent aye
John PenroseWeston-Super-MareCon (front bench)no aye
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)absent aye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)no absent
Steve PoundEaling NorthLab (minister)no aye
Bridget PrenticeLewisham EastLab (minister)no absent
Mark PriskHertford and StortfordCon (front bench)no aye
Mark PritchardThe WrekinCon (front bench)no aye
John PughSouthportLDem (front bench)absent aye
John RandallUxbridgeCon (front bench)no aye
Nick RaynsfordGreenwich and WoolwichLabno aye
John RedwoodWokinghamConno aye
Andy ReedLoughboroughLab (minister)no aye
Jamie ReedCopelandLab (minister)no absent
Malcolm RifkindKensington and ChelseaConabsent aye
Linda RiordanHalifaxLab (minister)absent aye
Andrew RobathanBlabyCon (front bench)no aye
Hugh RobertsonFaversham and Mid KentCon (front bench)no aye
John RobertsonGlasgow North WestLabno absent
Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)no aye
Peter RobinsonBelfast EastDUPabsent aye
Dan RogersonNorth CornwallLDem (front bench)absent tellaye
Terry RooneyBradford NorthLab (minister)absent no
Andrew RosindellRomfordCon (front bench)no aye
Paul RowenRochdaleLDem (front bench)aye absent
Joan RuddockLewisham, DeptfordLab (minister)absent no
David RuffleyBury St EdmundsCon (front bench)no aye
Martin SalterReading WestLab (minister)no absent
Mohammad SarwarGlasgow CentralLab (minister)absent no
Lee ScottIlford NorthCon (front bench)no aye
Alison SeabeckPlymouth, DevonportLababsent no
Andrew SelousSouth West BedfordshireCon (front bench)no aye
Grant ShappsWelwyn HatfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Richard ShepherdAldridge-BrownhillsCon (front bench)absent aye
Mark SimmondsBoston and SkegnessCon (front bench)no aye
Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabno aye
David SimpsonUpper BannDUP (front bench)aye absent
Keith SimpsonMid NorfolkCon (front bench)no aye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLab (minister)no absent
Andrew SlaughterEaling, Acton and Shepherd's BushLab (minister)absent no
Andrew SmithOxford EastLabno aye
Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLab (minister)absent no
Jacqui SmithRedditchLab (minister)absent no
John SmithVale of GlamorganLab (minister)absent no
Anne SnelgroveSouth SwindonLabno absent
Nicholas SoamesMid SussexCon (front bench)no aye
Caroline SpelmanMeridenCon (front bench)no aye
Michael SpicerWest WorcestershireCon (front bench)no aye
Bob SpinkCastle Pointwhilst Independent (front bench)no aye
Richard SpringWest SuffolkCon (front bench)no aye
John StanleyTonbridge and MallingCon (front bench)no absent
Anthony SteenTotnesCon (front bench)no aye
Ian StewartEcclesLab (minister)absent no
Gavin StrangEdinburgh EastLab (minister)no absent
Gary StreeterSouth West DevonCon (front bench)no aye
Graham StringerManchester, BlackleyLab (minister)absent no
Gisela StuartBirmingham, EdgbastonLab (minister)no absent
Graham StuartBeverley and HoldernessCon (front bench)both aye
Gerry SutcliffeBradford SouthLab (minister)absent no
Desmond SwayneNew Forest WestCon (front bench)no aye
Jo SwinsonEast DunbartonshireLDem (front bench)aye absent
Hugo SwireEast DevonConno aye
Robert SymsPooleCon (front bench)no aye
Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConno aye
David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLab (minister)no both
Ian TaylorEsher and WaltonConno aye
Matthew TaylorTruro and St AustellLDemabsent aye
Gareth ThomasHarrow WestLab (minister)absent no
Edward TimpsonCrewe and NantwichCon (front bench)no aye
David TredinnickBosworthConno aye
Jon TrickettHemsworthLab (minister)absent no
Paul TruswellPudseyLabno aye
Andrew TurnerIsle of WightCon (front bench)no aye
Desmond TurnerBrighton, KemptownLab (minister)absent no
Andrew TyrieChichesterCon (front bench)no aye
Ed VaizeyWantageCon (front bench)no aye
Shailesh VaraNorth West CambridgeshireCon (front bench)absent aye
Keith VazLeicester EastLab (minister)no aye
Peter ViggersGosportCon (front bench)no aye
Theresa VilliersChipping BarnetCon (front bench)no aye
Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabno absent
Charles WalkerBroxbourneCon (front bench)no aye
Ben WallaceLancaster and WyreCon (front bench)no aye
Robert WareingLiverpool, West Derbywhilst Independentno aye
Nigel WatersonEastbourneCon (front bench)absent aye
Angela WatkinsonUpminsterCon (front bench)no aye
John WhittingdaleMaldon and East ChelmsfordCon (front bench)no aye
Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConabsent aye
Bill WigginLeominsterCon (front bench)no aye
David WillettsHavantCon (front bench)no aye
Betty WilliamsConwyLabno absent
Roger WilliamsBrecon and RadnorshireLDem (front bench)tellaye absent
David WilshireSpelthorneCon (front bench)no absent
Phil WilsonSedgefieldLab (minister)absent no
Rob WilsonReading EastCon (front bench)no aye
Ann WintertonCongletonCon (front bench)no aye
Nicholas WintertonMacclesfieldCon (front bench)no aye
Pete WishartPerth and North PerthshireSNP (front bench)absent aye
Mike WoodBatley and SpenLabno aye
Shaun WoodwardSt Helens SouthLab (minister)no absent
Anthony D WrightGreat YarmouthLab (minister)no absent
Jeremy WrightRugby and KenilworthCon (front bench)no aye
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)absent aye
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)no aye
Richard Younger-RossTeignbridgeLDem (front bench)absent aye

Division Similarity Ratio

The measure of similarity between these two divisions is a calculation based on a comparison of their votes.

There were 646 MPs who could have voted in both of these divisions, and 257 voted the same way, with 150 voting in opposite ways. There were 47 MPs who didn't vote in either division, and 192 who voted in only one of them.

We invert the vote on the second division if it makes the distance closer (since the meaning of 'Aye' and 'No' are often interchangeable depending on how the question was put). In this case, they line up the same way. An 's vote in in only one of the divisions contributes a factor of 0.2 to the distance. The calculation runs as follows:

ratio =
[same-votes]
([same-votes] + [differing-votes] + 0.2x[abstain-in-one])
=
257
(257 + 150 + 0.2x192)
=
257
445.4
= 0.577 = 57.7 %.


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