National Lottery Bill [Lords] — 7 Apr 1998

Order for Second Reading read.

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I am very pleased to open this debate on the National Lottery Bill. It is a Bill of which I am extremely proud, both for what it contains and for what it symbolises. It contains an agenda for radical reform of the way in which the lottery is regulated and the way in which lottery money is distributed. It is a very tangible example of the Government's commitment to reform and to keeping their election promises. The themes that underpin the Bill--excellence, access, education and the recognition of the value of creative and cultural activity to the country's economic and social well-being--are also the themes that run through all my Department's policies. So the Bill sets the stage for use of the lottery to assist more people in more ways and with greater fairness. I am astonished that Conservative Members cannot see the value in that.

I have two very simple aims in seeking to reform the lottery: first, to ensure that people have confidence in the way in which the lottery is run and regulated, and, secondly, to ensure that people have confidence that the money that it raises goes where it is needed and to meet their priorities.

Mr. Nick Hawkins (Surrey Heath):

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

The Minister who piloted that Bill through the House, and who said that to the House, was none other than the present right hon. Member for Horsham.

Why have the Government taken credit for the scheme if it is not their responsibility, and why are they paying for it with taxpayers' money?

That is not true. Only a month later, the Minister for School Standards admitted that the Government spend £50 million on exactly that.

Question put, That the Bill be now read a Second time:--

The House divided: Ayes 309, Noes 135.

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David CurrySkipton and RiponConno
Quentin DaviesGrantham and StamfordCon (front bench)no
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Alan DuncanRutland and MeltonCon (front bench)no
Sir Peter EmeryEast DevonConno
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John GreenwayRyedaleConno
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Sir Archie HamiltonEpsom and EwellCon (front bench)no
Philip HammondRunnymede and WeybridgeCon (front bench)no
Mr Nick HawkinsSurrey HeathConno
John HayesSouth Holland and The DeepingsCon (front bench)no
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David Heathcoat-AmoryWellsConno
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Andrew LansleySouth CambridgeshireCon (front bench)no
Oliver LetwinWest DorsetConno
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Peter LilleyHitchin and HarpendenCon (front bench)no
Tim LoughtonEast Worthing and ShorehamCon (front bench)no
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Michael MatesEast HampshireConno
Francis MaudeHorshamCon (front bench)no
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Theresa MayMaidenheadCon (front bench)no
Anne McIntoshVale of YorkConno
Patrick McLoughlinWest DerbyshireCon (front bench)no
Malcolm MossNorth East CambridgeshireConno
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Richard OttawayCroydon SouthCon (front bench)no
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Owen PatersonNorth ShropshireCon (front bench)no
Eric PicklesBrentwood and OngarCon (front bench)no
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John RedwoodWokinghamCon (front bench)no
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Laurence RobertsonTewkesburyCon (front bench)no
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Peter TapsellLouth and HorncastleConno
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Charles WardleBexhill and Battlewhilst Conno
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Ann WiddecombeMaidstone and The WealdConno
Mr John WilkinsonRuislip - NorthwoodConno
David WillettsHavantConno
Ann WintertonCongletonConno
Shaun WoodwardWitneywhilst Conno
Tim YeoSouth SuffolkCon (front bench)no
George YoungNorth West HampshireCon (front bench)no
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Jim DowdLewisham WestLab (minister)tellaye
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Frank FieldBirkenheadLab (minister)aye
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Paul FlynnNewport WestLabaye
Barbara FollettStevenageLabaye
Mr Derek FosterBishop AucklandLab (minister)aye
Michael FosterWorcesterLabaye
Michael Jabez FosterHastings and RyeLabaye
Mr George FoulkesCarrick, Cumnock and Doon ValleyLab (minister)aye
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Bruce GeorgeWalsall SouthLabaye
Neil GerrardWalthamstowLabaye
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Dr Norman GodmanGreenock and InverclydeLabaye
Paul GogginsWythenshawe and Sale EastLabaye
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Mike HallWeaver ValeLabaye
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Mr Ivan HendersonHarwichLabaye
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Stephen HesfordWirral WestLabaye
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Kim HowellsPontypriddLab (minister)aye
Lindsay HoyleChorleyLab (minister)aye
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Joan HumbleBlackpool North and FleetwoodLabaye
Mr Alan HurstBraintreeLabaye
John HuttonBarrow and FurnessLabaye
Brian IddonBolton South EastLabaye
Eric IllsleyBarnsley CentralLabaye
Mrs Helen JacksonSheffield, HillsboroughLabaye
Mr David JamiesonPlymouth, DevonportLab (minister)aye
Brian JenkinsTamworthLabaye
Alan JohnsonKingston upon Hull West and HessleLabaye
Mr Barry JonesAlyn and DeesideLabaye
Fiona JonesNewarkLabaye
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Mr Jon Owen JonesCardiff CentralLab (minister)aye
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Martyn JonesClwyd SouthLabaye
Tessa JowellDulwich and West NorwoodLab (minister)aye
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Ann KeenBrentford and IsleworthLabaye
Ruth KellyBolton WestLabaye
Jane KennedyLiverpool, WavertreeLab (minister)aye
David KidneyStaffordLabaye
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Gordon MarsdenBlackpool SouthLabaye
Mr Paul MarsdenShrewsbury and AtchamLabaye
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Robert Marshall-AndrewsMedwayLabaye
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Thomas McAvoyGlasgow RutherglenLab (minister)aye
Steve McCabeBirmingham, Hall GreenLabaye
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Siobhain McDonaghMitcham and MordenLabaye
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Tony McNultyHarrow EastLabaye
Mr Tony McWalterHemel HempsteadLabaye
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Michael MeacherOldham West and RoytonLab (minister)aye
Alan MealeMansfieldLabaye
Gillian MerronLincolnLabaye
Alun MichaelCardiff South and PenarthLab (minister)aye
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Alan MilburnDarlingtonLab (minister)aye
Laura MoffattCrawleyLabaye
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Julie MorganCardiff NorthLabaye
Mr Rhodri MorganCardiff WestLabaye
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Sir John MorrisAberavonLab (minister)aye
Kali MountfordColne ValleyLabaye
George MudieLeeds EastLab (minister)aye
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Jim MurphyEast RenfrewshireLabaye
Dan NorrisWansdykeLabaye
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Edward O'HaraKnowsley SouthLabaye
Mr Martin O'NeillOchilLab (minister)aye
Bill OlnerNuneatonLabaye
Mrs Diana OrganForest of DeanLabaye
Ian PearsonDudley SouthLabaye
Mr Tom PendryStalybridge and HydeLabaye
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Mr Peter PikeBurnleyLabaye
James PlaskittWarwick and LeamingtonLabaye
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Mr Chris PondGraveshamLabaye
Greg PopeHyndburnLab (minister)aye
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Gordon PrenticePendleLabaye
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Alan SimpsonNottingham SouthLabaye
Marsha SinghBradford WestLabaye
Dennis SkinnerBolsoverLab (minister)aye
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Geraldine SmithMorecambe and LunesdaleLabaye
John SmithVale of GlamorganLabaye
Mr Llew SmithBlaenau GwentLabaye
Mr Peter SnapeWest Bromwich EastLabaye
Helen SouthworthWarrington SouthLabaye
John SpellarWarleyLab (minister)aye
Rachel SquireDunfermline WestLabaye
Phyllis StarkeyMilton Keynes South WestLabaye
Mr Gerry SteinbergCity of DurhamLabaye
Mr George StevensonStoke-on-Trent SouthLabaye
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David TaylorNorth West LeicestershireLabaye
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Stephen TimmsEast HamLabaye
Paddy TippingSherwoodLabaye
Mark ToddSouth DerbyshireLabaye
Don TouhigIslwynLabaye
Jon TrickettHemsworthLabaye
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Rudi VisFinchley and Golders GreenLabaye
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Betty WilliamsConwyLabaye
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Rosie WintertonDoncaster CentralLabaye
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Mike WoodBatley and SpenLab (minister)aye
Phil WoolasOldham East and SaddleworthLabaye
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Tony WrightCannock ChaseLabaye
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