Votes in parliament for which this MP's vote differed from the
majority vote of their party (Rebel), or in which this MP was
a teller (Teller), or both (Rebel Teller).
House | Date | Subject | Adrian Sanders | LDem Vote | Rôle |
30 Mar 2015 | Stopped being Member, Transport Committee | |
30 Mar 2015 | Stopped being Member, Panel of Chairs | |
Commons | 25 Mar 2015 | Draft Infrastructure Planning (Radioactive Waste Geological Disposal Facilities) Order 2015 |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 11 Feb 2015 | Infrastructure Bill — Safeguards and Conditions for Hydraulic Fracturing Activities (Fracking) |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Dec 2014 | Firefighters' Pension Scheme (England) Regulations 2014 |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 10 Nov 2014 | Transposing European Union Criminal Justice and Data Protection Measures into UK Law — If to make Decision |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 10 Nov 2014 | Transposing European Union Criminal Justice and Data Protection Measures into UK Law — Timetable Motion |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Jul 2014 | Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill — Third Reading |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Jul 2014 | Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill — Clause 6 — Date of Repeal — Sunset Clause |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Jul 2014 | Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Bill — Fast-Track Timetable — House of Commons Stages in Single Day |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 10 Mar 2014 | Care Bill — New Clause 9 — Require Annual Report on Social Care Funding Levels |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 12 Feb 2014 | Local Government Finance Report (England) 2014-15 |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 22 Jan 2014 | Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill — Clause 28 — Regulated Expenditure by Third Parties in General Elections |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 22 Jan 2014 | Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill — Schedule 3 — Inclusion of Staff Costs in Controlled Expenditure |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Jan 2014 | Offender Rehabilitation Bill — New Clause 4 — Probation Reform Pilot Schemes |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Jan 2014 | Offender Rehabilitation Bill — New Clause 1 — Probation Service Reform: Parliamentary Approval |
minority | no |
Rebel |
7 Nov 2013 | Became Member, Panel of Chairs | |
Commons | 9 Oct 2013 | Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill — Third Reading |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 5 Jun 2013 | Opposition Day — Badger Cull |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 4 Jun 2013 | Energy Bill — Clause 1 — Requirement to Set a Decarbonisation Target Range |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 16 Apr 2013 | Defamation Bill — Recognised Arbitration Services for Defamation Cases — Incentives |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 16 Apr 2013 | Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Bill — Clause 56 — Commission for Equality and Human Rights |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 16 Apr 2013 | Growth and Infrastructure Bill — Development orders: development within the curtilage of a dwelling house |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 21 Jan 2013 | Welfare Benefits Up-rating Bill — Third Reading — Capping Increase of Specified Benefits at 1% |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
21 Jan 2013 | Became Member, Transport Committee | |
Commons | 17 Dec 2012 | Growth and Infrastructure Bill — Clause 25 — Employee Shareholder Status — Exemption from Certain Statutory Employment Rights |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 24 Oct 2012 | Draft Housing Benefit (Amendment) Regulations 2012 — Under Occupation Critera — Local Housing Allowance Rates |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 11 Jul 2012 | Sitting Times of the House of Commons on Tuesdays |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 11 Jul 2012 | House of Commons Sitting Start Time on Tuesdays |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 18 Apr 2012 | Finance Bill — New Clause 5 — VAT on Hot Baked Goods — (Pasty Tax) |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 17 Apr 2012 | Legal Aid, Sentencing & Punishment of Offenders Bill — Ensure Individuals Have Access to Legal Services They Need |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 20 Mar 2012 | Health and Social Care Bill — Clinical Commissioning Group Members' Interests — Eligibility to Partipate in Decision Making |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 13 Mar 2012 | Health and Social Care Bill |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 13 Mar 2012 | Health and Social Care Bill |
tellaye | no |
Rebel Teller |
Commons | 12 Mar 2012 | Backbench Business Committee — Election of Members and Chair — Operation of Committee |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 12 Mar 2012 | Election of Backbench Business Committee |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 12 Mar 2012 | Election of Backbench Business Committee by Parties |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 21 Feb 2012 | Welfare Reform Bill — Clause 11 — Housing costs — Exemptions from Benefit Reductions Due to Excess Bedrooms |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Wakefield (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Coventry (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Sheffield (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Newcastle-upon-Tyne (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Manchester (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Bristol (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Leeds (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Nottingham (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Draft City of Liverpool (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — 3 May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Welfare Reform Bill — Clause 11 — Housing costs |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Welfare Reform Bill — Clause 93 — Exclusion of Child Benefit from Benefit Cap |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Feb 2012 | Welfare Reform Bill — Clause 51 — Employment and Support Allowance for Those Ill or Disabled Since Their Youth |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 25 Jan 2012 | Draft City of Bradford (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 25 Jan 2012 | Draft City of Birmingham (Mayoral Referendum) Order 2012 — May 2012 Referendum on a Directly Elected Mayor |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Nov 2011 | Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill — New Clause 26 — Exemptions from Offence of Squatting in a Residential Building |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 24 Oct 2011 | National Referendum on the United Kingdom's Membership of the European Union |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Sep 2011 | Energy Bill — Clause 42 — Bring Forward Date Landlords of Private Rented Homes Must Follow Domestic Energy Efficiency Regulations |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 7 Sep 2011 | Health and Social Care Bill — Third Reading |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 7 Sep 2011 | Health and Social Care Bill — Should Secretary of State for Health "Secure" or "Provide or Secure" Services |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 6 Sep 2011 | Health and Social Care Bill — Clause 168 — Private Patient Income Cap |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 4 Jul 2011 | Finance Bill — New Clause 11 — High cost credit lending |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 22 Jun 2011 | Ban on Smoking in Private Vehicles |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 17 May 2011 | Localism Bill — New Clause 29 — Retail Diversity Scheme |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 17 May 2011 | Localism Bill — New Clause 15 — Clarification Local Finance Considerations Can Be Taken Into Account When Determining Planning Application |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 2 Feb 2011 | Sale of Public Forest Estate |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Dec 2010 | Draft Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2010 — Permitting Beak Trimming of Laying Hens |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 9 Dec 2010 | University Tuition Fee Cap — Set Basic Limit at £6,000 Per Year |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 9 Dec 2010 | University Tuition Fee Cap — Raise Upper Limit to £9,000 Per Year |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Nov 2010 | Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill — Clause 11 — number and distribution of seats |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 1 Nov 2010 | Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill — Clause 11 — number and distribution of seats |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 25 Oct 2010 | Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill — New Clause 7 — Reduction of maximum number of Ministers —rejected |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 18 Oct 2010 | Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill — Clause 2 — Entitlement to vote in the referendum |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 13 Oct 2010 | Public Houses and Private Members' Clubs (Smoking) Bill |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Jul 2010 | Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2010 |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
6 May 2010 | Stopped being Opposition Deputy Chief Whip (Commons), | |
House | Date | Subject | Adrian Sanders | LDem Vote | Rôle |
Commons | 1 Mar 2010 | Control Orders — Annual Renewal 2010 |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 19 Jan 2010 | Health and Safety (Company Director Liability) — Clause 26 — Section 24 not to apply in exceptional cases |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 2 Dec 2009 | Deferred divisions — Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority |
tellno | aye |
Rebel Teller |
Commons | 9 Jul 2009 | Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2009 |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 2 Feb 2009 | Opposition Day — [3rd Allotted Day] — Government Capital Expenditure |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 8 Dec 2008 | Police raid of MP's office — New committee to adjourn immediately |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 22 Oct 2008 | Deferred Divisions — Clause 68 — Commencement |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 9 Jul 2008 | Council Tax Limitation — Lincolnshire police authority budget |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 25 Jun 2008 | Planning Bill — Right of oral representations — rejected |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 31 Mar 2008 | Housing and Regeneration Bill — Code of practice for consultations — rejected |
both | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 21 Feb 2008 | Control orders — Annual renewal 2008 |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 9 Jan 2008 | Orders of the Day — Schedule 22 — Hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 12 Dec 2007 | Opposition Day — [4th Allotted Day] — Military Covenant |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 25 Oct 2007 | Modernisation of the House of Commons — Handheld email devices |
minority | unknown |
Unknown |
Commons | 27 Jun 2007 | Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill — Report Stage — Uniforms for enforcement agents |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 25 Jun 2007 | Orders of the Day — New Clause 8 — Rural Fuel Discount Scheme |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 27 Feb 2007 | Orders of the Day — New Clause 8 — Approval of Mayor's final draft budget by Assembly |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 6 Feb 2007 | Orders of the Day — Clause 7 — Limitation on challenge of issue of certificate |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 9 Jan 2007 | Orders of the Day — Clause 29 — Local housing allowance |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 7 Nov 2006 | Orders of the Day — Clause 4 — Preconditions |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 1 Nov 2006 | Legislative Process (Notice for Amendments in Public Bill Committee) |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 25 Oct 2006 | Point of Order — New Clause 3 — Property from trusts in residuary legacies |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 14 Mar 2006 | Animal Welfare Bill — New Clause "8" — Docking of dogs' tails — Working dogs |
minority | no |
Rebel |
10 Mar 2006 | Became Opposition Deputy Chief Whip (Commons), | |
Commons | 28 Feb 2006 | Government of Wales Bill — [2nd Allotted Day] — Clause 94 — Legislative competence: supplementary |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 14 Feb 2006 | Health Bill — New Clause 5 — Smoke-free premises: exemptions — as amended |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Feb 2006 | Health Bill — New Clause 5 — Smoke-free premises: exemptions — private clubs |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 8 Feb 2006 | Support for Members Who Have Chosen Not to Take Their Seats |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 13 Jul 2005 | Committees — Administration Committee — Pay for Chairmen of Select Committees |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 13 Jul 2005 | Committees — Administration Committee — Pay for Chairmen of Standing Committees |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
12 Jul 2005 | Stopped being Member, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee | |
House | Date | Subject | Adrian Sanders | LDem Vote | Rôle |
Commons | 10 Mar 2005 | Support For Members Who Have Chosen Not To Take Their Seats |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 26 Jan 2005 | Modernisation of the House of Commons |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 26 Jan 2005 | Modernisation of the House of Commons |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 14 Dec 2004 | Mental Capacity Bill — Schedule 3 — Property and affairs: supplementary provisions |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 16 Nov 2004 | Hunting Bill — Clause 1 — Hunting wild mammals with dogs |
Majority | unknown |
Unknown |
Commons | 3 Nov 2004 | Members' Allowances |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 2 Nov 2004 | Children Bill [Lords] — New Clause 12 — Reasonable punishment |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 27 Oct 2004 | New Clause 10 — Victims of persons subject to hospital order with restriction order: representations — Clause 22 — Procedure for determining fitness to plead: England and Wales |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 27 Oct 2004 | St. George's Day (Public Holiday) |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 26 Oct 2004 | Removal of References to Strangers |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Sep 2004 | Hunting Bill (Procedure) |
Majority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 15 Sep 2004 | Hunting Bill (Procedure) |
Majority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 25 Feb 2004 | School Admissions (Prohibition of Religious Discrimination) |
minority | no |
Rebel |
10 Nov 2003 | Became Member, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee | |
Commons | 14 Apr 2003 | Smoking (Restaurants) Bill |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 16 Dec 2002 | Hunting Bill (Programme) |
minority | unknown |
Unknown |
Commons | 16 Dec 2002 | Hunting Bill |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 28 Oct 2002 | Access To Facilities Of The House |
minority | no |
Rebel |
1 Jun 2002 | Stopped being Shadow Spokesperson (Communities and Local Government), | |
Commons | 9 May 2002 | Finance Bill — Clause 90 — Supplementary charge in respect of ring fence trades |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 28 Jan 2002 | City of London (Ward Elections) Bill — New Clause 1 — Exclusion of Crown Bodies |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 28 Jan 2002 | City of London (Ward Elections) Bill — New Clause 1 — Exclusion of Crown Bodies |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 18 Dec 2001 | Facilities of the House |
minority | no |
Rebel |
1 Jun 2001 | Became Shadow Spokesperson (Communities and Local Government), | |
1 Jun 2001 | Stopped being Shadow Spokesperson (Environment, Food and Rural Affairs), | |
1 Jun 2001 | Stopped being Shadow Spokesperson (Communities and Local Government), | |
1 Jun 2001 | Stopped being Opposition Whip (Commons), | |
House | Date | Subject | Adrian Sanders | LDem Vote | Rôle |
11 May 2001 | Stopped being Member, Consolidation etc. Bills (Joint Committee) | |
Commons | 13 Mar 2001 | Budget Resolutions and Economic Situation - 12 Income tax (charge and rates for 2001-02) |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 12 Mar 2001 | Criminal Justice and Police Bill |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 27 Feb 2001 | Hunting Bill |
Majority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 7 Feb 2001 | Homes Bill - Duty to persons with priority need who are not homeless intentionally |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 10 Jan 2001 | Health and Social Care Bill [Money] |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 19 Dec 2000 | Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Research Purposes) Regulations |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 20 Nov 2000 | Sittings in Westminster Hall |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 25 Jul 2000 | European Community Documents - A General Framework for Equal Treatment in Employment and Occupation |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 4 Jul 2000 | Local Government Bill [Lords] — Proportional representation for local elections in England and Wales |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 11 Apr 2000 | Organ Transplants (Presumed Consent) |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 5 Apr 2000 | Freedom of Information Bill — Discretionary disclosures |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 15 Mar 2000 | Terrorism Bill — Definition includes damage to property |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 9 Feb 2000 | Financial Services and Markets Bill - The Authority's general duties |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 8 Nov 1999 | Greater London Authority Bill |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 1 Nov 1999 | Print Acts of Parliament on Paper instead of Vellum — rejected |
Majority | aye |
Rebel |
1 Jun 1999 | Became Shadow Spokesperson (Environment, Food and Rural Affairs), | |
Commons | 26 May 1999 | Members' Travel |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 26 May 1999 | Line of Route |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 13 May 1999 | American Food Exports and European Trade Policy |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 13 Apr 1999 | Health Bill [Lords] |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 22 Mar 1999 | Council Tax Increases |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 15 Mar 1999 | Budget Resolutions and Economic Situation - 16. Value added tax (meaning of "business") |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 22 Feb 1999 | Immigration and Asylum Bill |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 16 Feb 1999 | House of Lords Bill |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 21 Jan 1999 | Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Bill |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 12 Jan 1999 | Local Government Bill |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 26 Oct 1998 | Farming and Food |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 26 Oct 1998 | Economy |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 29 Jul 1998 | Parliamentary Oaths (Amendment) |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 22 Jun 1998 | Crime and Disorder Bill [Lords] |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 30 Apr 1998 | Economic and Monetary Union |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 29 Apr 1998 | Orders of the Day - Charge and rates for 1998-99 |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 24 Mar 1998 | School Standards and Framework Bill — Abolition of corporal punishment in schools |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 24 Mar 1998 | School Standards and Framework Bill - Reinstitution of standards for educational premises |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 16 Mar 1998 | Teaching and Higher Education Bill [Lords] |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 26 Feb 1998 | European Parliamentary Elections Bill |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 9 Feb 1998 | Child Support Agency |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 10 Dec 1997 | Social Security Bill - Short title, commencement and extent |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 10 Dec 1997 | Social Security Bill - Backdating of benefit |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 10 Dec 1997 | Doctor Assisted Dying Bill — Leave to Bring In |
minority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 9 Dec 1997 | European Community Documents - European Police Office (Immunities and Privileges) |
Majority | no |
Rebel |
Commons | 24 Nov 1997 | Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill - Functions of the Local Government Commission |
tellaye | aye |
Teller |
Commons | 24 Nov 1997 | Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill - Form of ballot paper |
tellno | no |
Teller |
28 Jul 1997 | Became Member, Consolidation etc. Bills (Joint Committee) | |
Commons | 17 Jul 1997 | Council Tax |
tellno | no |
Teller |
Commons | 18 Jun 1997 | Firearms (Amendment) Bill |
minority | aye |
Rebel |
Commons | 11 Jun 1997 | Firearms (Amendment) Bill |
minority | unknown |
Unknown |
1 Jun 1997 | Became Shadow Spokesperson (Communities and Local Government), | |
1 Jun 1997 | Became Opposition Whip (Commons), | |
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